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Post by Angel on Jun 2, 2006 10:48:54 GMT -5
Here's a question, can vampire's in the Whedonverse regenerate limbs? I know they can heal, so one could assume the could regenerate limbs, it's just I watched Blade a couple days ago and I don't remember this ever been brought up in Buffy or Angel.
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Post by Queen C on Jun 2, 2006 10:50:01 GMT -5
I don't remember it being brought up, cause in blade they didn't... but this world is what we make of it. So maybe this vampire is special. ;D
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Post by Angel on Jun 2, 2006 10:55:54 GMT -5
In Blade they can regenerate limbs if you remember Quinn, the blonde haired guy who worked for Deacon Frost, was severly burned by Blade, which took him a long while to fully heal and he had his hand cut off, twice, which grew back cos he says "I got a new hand blade, now I don't know which one to kill you with" that was before Blade cut him in half with a wire.
I was just wondering if it's an ability we could bring to the vampires in the Whedonverse. Cos there's no evidance to say they can't.
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Post by Henry Elder on Jun 2, 2006 10:57:39 GMT -5
They can get limbs cut off without them turning to dust, and can be reattached, but I'm not entirely sure....
I've got a question myself, the First merges with Caleb, right? This is what gives him his super strength, but I heard an interesting theory that in, 'End of Days' Buffy killed Caleb the first time, and the First Evil was in fact controlling Caleb when she castrated him to death. I'm not sure, though.
But what did the First mean by, 'You're the only human strong enough to be my vessel'?
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Post by Gabriel Corvis on Jun 2, 2006 11:11:19 GMT -5
Maybe he was so sociopathic, he had no emotions tieing him to his human soul maybe?
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Post by Caleb on Jun 2, 2006 11:24:32 GMT -5
1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest 2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure 3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead 4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults 5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others 6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor financial obligations 7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
Hmmm, seems to fit for the most part.
Serial Killers
* Organized types are usually of high intelligence and plan their crimes quite methodically, usually abducting victims, killing them in one place and disposing of them in another. They will often lure the victims with ploys appealing to their sense of sympathy. For example, Ted Bundy would put his arm in a fake plaster cast and ask women to help him carry books to his car, where he would beat them unconscious with the cast and spirit them away. Others specifically target prostitutes, who are likely to voluntarily go with a serial killer posing as a customer. They maintain a high degree of control over the crime scene, and usually have a good knowledge of forensic science that enables them to cover their tracks, such as by burying the body or weighting it down and sinking it in a river. They follow their crimes in the media carefully and often take pride in their actions, as if it were a grand project. The organized killer is usually socially adequate and has friends and lovers, often even a spouse and children. They are the type who, when captured, are most likely to be described by acquaintances as "a really nice guy" who "wouldn't hurt a fly." Some serial killers go to lengths to make their crimes difficult to discover, such as falsifying suicide notes, setting up others to take the blame for their crimes, and faking gang warfare. The case of Harold Shipman, an English family doctor, is slightly unusual in that his social position and occupation was such that he was able to portray victims as having died of natural causes; between 1971 and 1998 he killed at least 250, and possibly well over 400, of his own mostly elderly patients – and until very near the end of his rampage it was not even suspected that any crimes had been committed. * Disorganized types are often of low intelligence and commit their crimes impulsively. Whereas the organized killer will specifically set out to hunt a victim, the disorganized will murder someone whenever the opportunity arises, rarely bothering to dispose of the body but instead just leaving it at the same place in which they found the victim. They usually carry out "blitz" attacks, leaping out and attacking their victims without warning, and will typically perform whatever rituals they feel compelled to carry out (e.g., necrophilia, mutilation, etc.) once the victim is dead. They rarely bother to cover their tracks but may still evade capture for some time because of a level of cunning that compels them to keep on the move. They are often socially inadequate with few friends, and they may have a history of mental problems and be regarded by acquaintances as eccentric or even "a bit creepy." They have little insight into their crimes and may even block out the memories of the killings.
Motive types
The organized and disorganized model relates to the killer's methods. With regards to motives, they can be placed into five different categories: [edit]
Visionary
Contrary to popular opinion, serial killers are rarely insane or motivated by hallucinations and/or voices in their heads. Many claim to be, usually as a way of trying to get acquitted by reason of insanity. There are, however, a few genuine cases of serial killers who were compelled by such delusions.
Herbert Mullin slaughtered 13 people after voices told him that murder was necessary to prevent California from suffering an earthquake. (Mullin went to great pains to point out that California did indeed avoid an earthquake during his murder spree.)
Ed Gein claimed that by eating the corpses of women who looked like his deceased mother, he could preserve his mother's soul inside his body. He killed two women who bore passing resemblances to his mother, eating one and being apprehended while in the process of preparing the second woman's body for consumption. He also used the flesh of exhumed corpses to fashion a "woman suit" for himself so that he could "become" his mother, and carried on conversations with himself in a falsetto voice. After his arrest he was placed in a mental facility for the remainder of his life. [edit]
Mission oriented
These serial killers believe that their acts are justified on the basis that they are getting rid of a certain type of people (often prostitutes or members of a certain ethnic group). They believe that they are doing society a big favor. Robert Pickton of Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, is accused of being this type of killer. He is currently charged with the murders of 27 prostitutes from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside, and is suspected in the deaths of up to 30 more. [edit]
Hedonistic
This type kills for the sheer pleasure of it, although what aspect they enjoy varies. Some may enjoy the actual "chase" of hunting down a victim more than anything, while others may be primarily motivated by the act of torturing and abusing the victim while they are alive. Yet others may kill the victim quickly, almost as if it were a chore, and then indulge in necrophilia or cannibalism with the body. Usually there is a strong sexual aspect to the crimes, even if it may not be immediately obvious, but some killers obtain a surge of excitement that is not necessarily sexual, such as David Berkowitz, who got a thrill out of shooting young couples in cars at random and then running away without ever physically touching the victims. [edit]
Gain motivated
Most criminals who commit multiple murders for material ends (such as mob hit men) are not classed as serial killers, because they are motivated by greed or economic gain rather than psychopathological compulsion. There is a fine line separating such killers, however. For example, Marcel Petiot, who operated in Nazi-occupied France, would classify as a serial killer. He posed as a member of the French Resistance and lured wealthy Jewish people to his home, claiming he could smuggle them out of the country. Instead he murdered them and stole their belongings, killing 63 people before he was finally caught. Although Petiot's primary motivation was materialistic, few would deny that a man willing to slaughter so many people simply to acquire a few dozen suitcases of clothes and jewelry was a compulsive killer and psychopath. [edit]
Power/control
This is the most common serial killer. Their main objective for killing is to gain and exert power over their victim. Such killers are sometimes abused as children, which means they feel incredibly powerless and inadequate, and often they indulge in rituals that are linked, often very specifically, to forms of abuse they suffered themselves. One killer, for example, forced young girls to perform oral sex on him, after which he would spank the girl before finally strangling her. After capture, the killer claimed that when he was a child his older sister would force him to perform oral sex on her, then she would spank him in order to terrify him into not telling their parents.[citation needed] The ritual he performed with his victims would negate the humiliation he felt from his abuse as a child, although such relief would only be temporary, and like other such killers, he would soon feel compelled to repeat his actions until eventual capture. (The vast majority of child abuse victims do not become serial killers, of course, meaning that such abuse is not regarded as the sole trigger of such crimes in these cases.) Many power/control-motivated killers sexually abuse their victims, but they differ from hedonistic killers in that rape is not motivated by lust but as simply another form of dominating the victim.
Some serial killers may seem to have characteristics of more than one type. For example, British killer Peter Sutcliffe appeared to be both a visionary and a mission-oriented killer in that he claimed voices told him to clean up the streets of prostitutes.
Alternatively, another school of thought classifies motive as being either: need, greed or power. That said, all crime can be divided into one of these three categories.
That's a lot of reading material.
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Post by Faith on Jun 2, 2006 12:34:47 GMT -5
Back to the vampire limbs debate... I'd go along with the regeneration of various body parts. I think it's just if you remove the head from the neck that they get all dustyfied. That could be the guardian of the hell dimension, it'd be too easy if tye could go in and nab Faith, there has to be something there to try and stop them. I like it. There would have to be something pretty mean to control whatever is sending in the various beastys. That guy looks pretty mean.
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Post by Caleb on Jun 2, 2006 12:37:00 GMT -5
Yep, stakes, decapitation, sunlight, holy water and fire.
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Post by Angel on Jun 2, 2006 18:36:25 GMT -5
Yeah, cos I planned on having Angel lose his hand fighting that big ugly sword wielding demon, that's why I brought it up, okay, so we're going with limb regeneration, cool.
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Leota
Bad Ass Demon Slayer
My bite is worse than my bark.
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Post by Leota on Jun 3, 2006 2:16:44 GMT -5
I almost knew you wanted to hack a bit of Angel when you first asked that question, but it would make more sense for him to be overpowered when he later storms W&H if he is a little less complete.
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Post by Henry Elder on Jun 15, 2006 16:59:48 GMT -5
I think this is a good amulet for raising Leota's army, but I think I like the name more, it's called a High Priest's amulet. I was thinking about the army's history, and came up with this: There was a vampire Master-esque High Priest of some cult of whatever, who wanted the Old ones to return. Failing to open either Hellmouth, he raised a demon army with his amulet to wage war against the humans. They were defeated, only just, and the Priest's body got dusted but he put his power into the amulet, hoping for someone with a real appeitite for destruction to raise the army again one day. Comments, questions?
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Post by Caleb on Jun 18, 2006 13:09:17 GMT -5
I'm quite a big fan of this monster. La Chupacabra. Or Chewie for short. I was hoping to use it in a future plot point, just thought I'd get his picture posted.
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